Comments on: Headlines at Techso Mogro for June 14, 2013 https://techsomogro.com/headlines-21st-century-tech-june-14-2013/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=headlines-21st-century-tech-june-14-2013 Science, Technology and the Future Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:43:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/headlines-21st-century-tech-june-14-2013/#comment-9102 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:43:20 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10333#comment-9102 lenrosen4. ((To me intensity is a fool’s errand way of dealing with greenhouse gas emissions.)) Seems highly improbable that China's senior leadership would be unaware of this perspective. The best public evidence suggests China intends to supply the largest proportion of its constantly growing electrical demand at the lowest possible costs by burning coal. I’m betting China’s government will merely convert the cynical urban cap and trade program into a new form of national taxation on industrial production, and it will be a form of taxation that will prove almost impossible to evade. Companies can cook their books and structure their operations to conceal and defer profits, as we should suppose all Chinese companies do, but the power meter reports power consumption regardless of company profit or loss. The cap and trade program will however provide some additional incentive for industrial producers to use power more efficiently. Still the Chinese economy will continue to expand and produce CO2 at a much faster rate than any urban carbon cap and trade program could possibly constrain it.]]> In reply to lenrosen4.

((To me intensity is a fool’s errand way of dealing with greenhouse gas emissions.))

Seems highly improbable that China’s senior leadership would be unaware of this perspective. The best public evidence suggests China intends to supply the largest proportion of its constantly growing electrical demand at the lowest possible costs by burning coal. I’m betting China’s government will merely convert the cynical urban cap and trade program into a new form of national taxation on industrial production, and it will be a form of taxation that will prove almost impossible to evade. Companies can cook their books and structure their operations to conceal and defer profits, as we should suppose all Chinese companies do, but the power meter reports power consumption regardless of company profit or loss. The cap and trade program will however provide some additional incentive for industrial producers to use power more efficiently. Still the Chinese economy will continue to expand and produce CO2 at a much faster rate than any urban carbon cap and trade program could possibly constrain it.

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By: lenrosen4 https://techsomogro.com/headlines-21st-century-tech-june-14-2013/#comment-9099 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:41:39 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10333#comment-9099 Niccolo5. You may be right that the cap-and-trade policies being implemented in China are merely a ruse. But the 2016 announced objective is for a nationwide cap-and-trade program. And the businesses in urban centres that are being given quotas have to buy their power from somewhere. I assume it is ex-urban coal-fired power plants like those that ring cities like Beijing. That means the carbon has to be counted in some way under traditional cap-and-trade quotas. My objection is to the way CO2 will be measured based on intensity rather than total volume. To me intensity is a fool's errand way of dealing with greenhouse gas emissions.]]> In reply to Niccolo5.

You may be right that the cap-and-trade policies being implemented in China are merely a ruse. But the 2016 announced objective is for a nationwide cap-and-trade program. And the businesses in urban centres that are being given quotas have to buy their power from somewhere. I assume it is ex-urban coal-fired power plants like those that ring cities like Beijing. That means the carbon has to be counted in some way under traditional cap-and-trade quotas.

My objection is to the way CO2 will be measured based on intensity rather than total volume. To me intensity is a fool’s errand way of dealing with greenhouse gas emissions.

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By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/headlines-21st-century-tech-june-14-2013/#comment-9090 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:20:27 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10333#comment-9090 While it’s obvious air pollution in major cities is a problem for the urban residents, it’s not at all obvious that the coal fired power plants that produce the electrical power for the cities are located within the cities, or that the power plants are a principal source of the air pollution in urban areas. Rural power plants are the major source of China’s contribution to global atmospheric carbon. Will the new cap and trade program force the urban industrial plants to pay pro rata cap and trade on their power consumption derived from rural coal fired power plants? I’m betting not. The cynical urban cap and trade program will do virtually nothing to arrest ever-increasing CO2 production at the rural power plants, hence the rate of China’s CO2 loading of the atmosphere will continue to rise.

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