Comments on: The Future of Democracy in the 21st Century https://techsomogro.com/future-democracy-21st-century/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=future-democracy-21st-century Science, Technology and the Future Thu, 07 Sep 2017 16:06:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/future-democracy-21st-century/#comment-10584 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:24:52 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=12208#comment-10584 ((So I cannot agree with your criterion for determining whose vote should count.))

Knowledge and intelligence actually exist much more concentrated in some individuals than in others. The high school GED test does an adequate job of discerning which individuals are most deficient and which are most generously supplied. I do not suggest GED tests are the ideal filters; only that the 10% highest scores would greatly improve the average voter’s quality of judgment. The rational first step in implement improvements is always an accurate diagnosis of conditions.

Sometimes an accurate diagnosis suggests the problems are insoluble, or that the patients are going to die. The accuracy of a diagnosis is unrelated to personal desires for particular outcomes. It’s just that desirable outcomes are difficult to rationally implement without an accurate diagnosis.

If you do not suppose voter incompetence is the main factor that has given Western Democracies their corrupt, bloated, and inept governments, do you have a plausible alternative explanation? What reason do you have to suppose fools are ever going to elect wise men instead of knaves? Doesn’t history argue that fools only vote for those they like? Fools would rather embrace pleasant delusions than painful actualities. Fools do not like wise men, who generally insist the fools should honestly confront the painful actualities. Fools like knaves that tell them they are not fools and that once in office they will take from those who have the most and give to those who have the least. As I said, baring some system of disenfranchising the fools, I see few grounds for optimism.

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By: lenrosen4 https://techsomogro.com/future-democracy-21st-century/#comment-10581 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:09:04 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=12208#comment-10581 Niccolo5. I refuse to argue the point about every citizen having an equal vote and political voice because in modern democracy universal suffrage is a basic principle. What would be ideal is if all voters were educated about all issues but that is far too difficult a proposition even in light of the fact that public education is also a basic tenet of modern democracies. I would also argue that some of our most successful people who have made major contributions in business and society are not high school graduates and never were very good in school. So I cannot agree with your criterion for determining whose vote should count. As for the citizen being the servant of the state, that was very true in the Soviet and Fascist systems of government. It is a stretch to state that is the case in most democracies today although in China it appears to be a principle of their version of communism.]]> In reply to Niccolo5.

I refuse to argue the point about every citizen having an equal vote and political voice because in modern democracy universal suffrage is a basic principle. What would be ideal is if all voters were educated about all issues but that is far too difficult a proposition even in light of the fact that public education is also a basic tenet of modern democracies.

I would also argue that some of our most successful people who have made major contributions in business and society are not high school graduates and never were very good in school. So I cannot agree with your criterion for determining whose vote should count.

As for the citizen being the servant of the state, that was very true in the Soviet and Fascist systems of government. It is a stretch to state that is the case in most democracies today although in China it appears to be a principle of their version of communism.

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By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/future-democracy-21st-century/#comment-10580 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:24:39 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=12208#comment-10580 The proposition that every citizen of industrial democracies should have an equal vote and political voice is a very bad idea. It is the intellectual and moral incompetence of the average voter that elects corrupt and inept government. Less than 5% of ancient Greece’s urban population voted in Athenian democracy, and nearly all that population could have passed modern economics and political philosophy 101. Most could have paraphrased the major propositions and arguments presented in Plato’s, Republic, which prudently warned of the perils of the universal vote. Edmund Burk, a keen observer of the French Revolution who thought regicide a bad practice, hit the nail on the head when he said, ‘Before we allow the citizens of Britain to do as they please, it would be wise to learn what it would please them to do.’ Every citizen should have a birthright to compete equally for a right to vote. No more than the highest ten percent on the high school GED test should have their votes counted. Each citizen should be allowed to take the proctored GED test whenever and as many times as he might like, but he should never be allowed to vote until he scores in the upper 10%.

Modern civilization has now evolved to the stage where the citizen is the servant of the state, instead of the state being the servant of the citizen. The notion of elected public officials being public servants is now an ironically cruel hoax. Every modern state would sacrifice every last one of its subjects to preserve its own institutions. The future of human civilization is at risk because there are clear conflicts of interest between the present ruling class and the general population. Baring intervention by non-human agencies, or total collapse of industrial society, I can see few grounds for optimism.

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