Comments on: Energy Update: Inventor to Demonstrate He Can Generate Electricity from Air in Defiance of the Laws of Thermodynamics https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air Science, Technology and the Future Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:29:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Sri Daran https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air/#comment-14564 Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:29:00 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=4628#comment-14564 Hi Folks – any updates on this so called ” invention ” ?? Is it real OR just another Scam ??

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By: lenrosen4 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air/#comment-14521 Mon, 02 May 2016 13:39:20 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=4628#comment-14521 Sung-Won Choi. The lack of information should be a good indicator that the inventor was blowing smoke.]]> In reply to Sung-Won Choi.

The lack of information should be a good indicator that the inventor was blowing smoke.

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By: Sung-Won Choi https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air/#comment-14520 Mon, 02 May 2016 10:56:00 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=4628#comment-14520 Does anybody know how it turned out?

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By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air/#comment-3678 Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:41:05 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=4628#comment-3678 Slavek Krepelka. Slavek asserts: "The first real boondoggle is the fact that just about every single fellow who wields the laws of thermodynamics does not understand, never mind appreciates those laws imbedded in their context and their explicit, but always omitted limitations, trying to use their slaughtered torsos in an argument." I'm unaware that the mechanical engineering department of any major US university introduces the "slaughtered torsos" factor in its thermodynamics courses. To the contrary, the modern kinetic theory of gases passes every empirical experiment to about 8-decimal places of precision. Seems only fair that any telling refutation of an opposing faction's arguments first provides an approximate articulation of the propositions it pretends to refute. That is to say, the ignorant person who cannot accurately paraphrase the settled principles of thermodynamics has nearly zero competency to honestly refute them. Slavek asserts: “The second real boondoggle is the fact that Mr. Newton & co. made not one, but two cardinal mistakes deriving formula F = ma.” Perhaps it has escaped your notice that Newton & co produced a supremely useful co-relevant definition for “force” that also logically defines time, distance, mass, and energy. These co-relevant definitions of “classical” mechanics withstand every actual test to about 8-decimal places of precision, and the definitions were constructed in a time when the world’s best measurement apparatus struggled to achieve 5-places of precision. Any defect in the F = ma formula must be found after the 8th decimal place, and is totally negligible as far as practical engineering of non-relativistic energy producing contraptions are concerned. As an interesting aside; it’s a historical fact that prior to publication of “Principia,” Newton & co. (Newton, Flamsteed, Halley, and Ole Romer) conferred and well understood that nature’s fundamental forces communicate not instantaneously, but at some high, yet finite, speed (estimated at the time to be 220,000 kms). That speed as calculated from Romer’s astronomical data was recognized as being high enough that its relativistic effects could for most, but not all, Earthly purposes, be ignored. Slavek asserts: “The third real boondoggle is the fact that very few are capable to appreciate the electro – magneto – mechanical dependencies of non-chaotic turbulence with respect to conductive substances, water in particular, and with respect to all natural motions in the universe.” If your words are taken to signify meanings common to their ordinary usage, no specific intentional meaning seems to emerge from that constellation of self-contradictory ambiguity. Hence it’s impossible to conclude how few or many might appreciate whatever it is that you could have in mind. For certain, conventional definitions commonly employed in mainstream science and engineering adequately describe the knowable properties of turbulent and chaotic systems. Tens of thousands of scientists, engineers, and mathematicians understand those properties]]> In reply to Slavek Krepelka.

Slavek asserts: “The first real boondoggle is the fact that just about every single fellow who wields the laws of thermodynamics does not understand, never mind appreciates those laws imbedded in their context and their explicit, but always omitted limitations, trying to use their slaughtered torsos in an argument.”

I’m unaware that the mechanical engineering department of any major US university introduces the “slaughtered torsos” factor in its thermodynamics courses. To the contrary, the modern kinetic theory of gases passes every empirical experiment to about 8-decimal places of precision. Seems only fair that any telling refutation of an opposing faction’s arguments first provides an approximate articulation of the propositions it pretends to refute. That is to say, the ignorant person who cannot accurately paraphrase the settled principles of thermodynamics has nearly zero competency to honestly refute them.

Slavek asserts: “The second real boondoggle is the fact that Mr. Newton & co. made not one, but two cardinal mistakes deriving formula F = ma.”

Perhaps it has escaped your notice that Newton & co produced a supremely useful co-relevant definition for “force” that also logically defines time, distance, mass, and energy. These co-relevant definitions of “classical” mechanics withstand every actual test to about 8-decimal places of precision, and the definitions were constructed in a time when the world’s best measurement apparatus struggled to achieve 5-places of precision. Any defect in the F = ma formula must be found after the 8th decimal place, and is totally negligible as far as practical engineering of non-relativistic energy producing contraptions are concerned.

As an interesting aside; it’s a historical fact that prior to publication of “Principia,” Newton & co. (Newton, Flamsteed, Halley, and Ole Romer) conferred and well understood that nature’s fundamental forces communicate not instantaneously, but at some high, yet finite, speed (estimated at the time to be 220,000 kms). That speed as calculated from Romer’s astronomical data was recognized as being high enough that its relativistic effects could for most, but not all, Earthly purposes, be ignored.

Slavek asserts: “The third real boondoggle is the fact that very few are capable to appreciate the electro – magneto – mechanical dependencies of non-chaotic turbulence with respect to conductive substances, water in particular, and with respect to all natural motions in the universe.”

If your words are taken to signify meanings common to their ordinary usage, no specific intentional meaning seems to emerge from that constellation of self-contradictory ambiguity. Hence it’s impossible to conclude how few or many might appreciate whatever it is that you could have in mind. For certain, conventional definitions commonly employed in mainstream science and engineering adequately describe the knowable properties of turbulent and chaotic systems. Tens of thousands of scientists, engineers, and mathematicians understand those properties

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By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air/#comment-3541 Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:00:22 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=4628#comment-3541 Frederick Gralenski. So I'm guessing you have summarily judged the Hydro Electric Reactor does not produce excess energy, and you have done that without ever personally seeing one in action. Are we to suppose that you also suppose the Rossi E-Cat consumes more energy than it produces, also without giving it a personal hands-on test? For tens of thousands of years, early hominids could break the darkness of night only by the making of fire. Eventually a few nonconformists thought "outside the box" and invented electric light bulbs. But, they couldn’t invent the light bulb before others had previously invented chemical storage batteries, dynamo electricity, and steel metallurgy. The naysayers stood around the non-conformist inventors’ crude early efforts and smugly pronounced, “It will never work because ___________,” you fill in the blank. Well, the critics were nearly always proven correct, and the ambitious innovators were nearly always wrong. For every good workable practical invention, there were likely 10,000 nutty dreams, cunning frauds, and incompetent physical executions of the basic concept. But here is the most important thing: the one good idea out of every 10,000 bad ideas is worth more to mankind than 10,000 times the costs of pursuing the bad ideas. So I say, more power to Gabriel Ohiochoya Obadan, and his goofy Hydro Electric Reactor dream of free energy from air and free money from the greedy, gulible, and scientifically illiterate. Chances are at least 9,999 out of ten thousand that in this case, as well as in all others, the traditional and well-settled laws of thermodynamics will overwhelmingly prevail. Gabriel feels very much alive and is happily jousting multitudes of impudent and imtimidating thermodynamic windmills. It doesn’t matter that Gabriel’s quixotic patent filing drawing shows startup air pressure must be higher at the compressor stage discharge than at the recirculate pipe discharge, and thus true air flow would initially be in reverse to his direction arrows, and thereafter all pressure downstream of the compressor would equalize and air flow would cease. The proof must be in the pudding. Either Obadan’s contraption actually produces energy or it doesn’t. True, it’s extremely likely his big anti-thermodynamic contraption doesn’t work, but it’s a free society in which Gabriel can indulge his mostly harmless fantasy dreams and feel good about himself. Some remote possibility exists that eventually some whacky character such as Gabriel Obadan, or Andreas Rossi, will invent something useful that more than repays the investments in worthless and ill-conceived concepts. Now, some of you may have already collected several million dollars from a generous Nigerian interior minister who had extra government funds he needed to deposit in your US bank account. Well, his brother is now giving you an opportunity to clean up again with the new Nigerian Hydro Electric Reactor free energy contraption. Get in on the ground floor of this revolutionary new energy technology now before it’s too late. A good investment strategy might be to take the millions the Nigerian government official deposits into your US bank account and loan it to Cogar International Energy Corporation at a guaranteed 25% interest rate for 10-years. See: http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/investment-opportunities.php For every million dollars you loan Cogar you get back $9-million. Infreekingcredible! What’s not to like?]]> In reply to Frederick Gralenski.

So I’m guessing you have summarily judged the Hydro Electric Reactor does not produce excess energy, and you have done that without ever personally seeing one in action. Are we to suppose that you also suppose the Rossi E-Cat consumes more energy than it produces, also without giving it a personal hands-on test?

For tens of thousands of years, early hominids could break the darkness of night only by the making of fire. Eventually a few nonconformists thought “outside the box” and invented electric light bulbs. But, they couldn’t invent the light bulb before others had previously invented chemical storage batteries, dynamo electricity, and steel metallurgy. The naysayers stood around the non-conformist inventors’ crude early efforts and smugly pronounced, “It will never work because ___________,” you fill in the blank. Well, the critics were nearly always proven correct, and the ambitious innovators were nearly always wrong. For every good workable practical invention, there were likely 10,000 nutty dreams, cunning frauds, and incompetent physical executions of the basic concept. But here is the most important thing: the one good idea out of every 10,000 bad ideas is worth more to mankind than 10,000 times the costs of pursuing the bad ideas.

So I say, more power to Gabriel Ohiochoya Obadan, and his goofy Hydro Electric Reactor dream of free energy from air and free money from the greedy, gulible, and scientifically illiterate. Chances are at least 9,999 out of ten thousand that in this case, as well as in all others, the traditional and well-settled laws of thermodynamics will overwhelmingly prevail. Gabriel feels very much alive and is happily jousting multitudes of impudent and imtimidating thermodynamic windmills. It doesn’t matter that Gabriel’s quixotic patent filing drawing shows startup air pressure must be higher at the compressor stage discharge than at the recirculate pipe discharge, and thus true air flow would initially be in reverse to his direction arrows, and thereafter all pressure downstream of the compressor would equalize and air flow would cease. The proof must be in the pudding. Either Obadan’s contraption actually produces energy or it doesn’t. True, it’s extremely likely his big anti-thermodynamic contraption doesn’t work, but it’s a free society in which Gabriel can indulge his mostly harmless fantasy dreams and feel good about himself. Some remote possibility exists that eventually some whacky character such as Gabriel Obadan, or Andreas Rossi, will invent something useful that more than repays the investments in worthless and ill-conceived concepts.

Now, some of you may have already collected several million dollars from a generous Nigerian interior minister who had extra government funds he needed to deposit in your US bank account. Well, his brother is now giving you an opportunity to clean up again with the new Nigerian Hydro Electric Reactor free energy contraption. Get in on the ground floor of this revolutionary new energy technology now before it’s too late. A good investment strategy might be to take the millions the Nigerian government official deposits into your US bank account and loan it to Cogar International Energy Corporation at a guaranteed 25% interest rate for 10-years. See: http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/investment-opportunities.php

For every million dollars you loan Cogar you get back $9-million. Infreekingcredible! What’s not to like?

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By: lenrosen4 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air/#comment-3518 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:17:01 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=4628#comment-3518 Slavek Krepelka. Hi Slavek, Please explain yourself. Where are the boondoggles that you talk about regarding the laws of thermodynamics? Two cardinal mistakes? Please provide your evidence.]]> In reply to Slavek Krepelka.

Hi Slavek, Please explain yourself. Where are the boondoggles that you talk about regarding the laws of thermodynamics? Two cardinal mistakes? Please provide your evidence.

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By: Slavek Krepelka https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air/#comment-3517 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:08:17 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=4628#comment-3517 The first real boondoggle is the fact that just about every single fellow who wields the laws of thermodynamics does not understand, never mind appreciates those laws imbedded in their context and their explicit, but always omitted limitations, trying to use their slaughtered torsos in an argument.
The second real boondoggle is the fact that Mr. Newton & co. made not one, but two cardinal mistakes deriving formula F = ma.
The third real boondoggle is the fact that very few are capable to appreciate the electro – magneto – mechanical dependencies of non-chaotic turbulence with respect to conductive substances, water in particular, and with respect to all natural motions in the universe.

Regards, Slavek.

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By: Frederick Gralenski https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-startup-company-claims-generate-electricity-air/#comment-422 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:42:20 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=4628#comment-422 Don’t bother attending or even reading the results. It’s amazing that this boondoggle has gotten this much publicity from these people

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