Comments on: Energy Update: Once Again Cold Fusion in the Headlines https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines Science, Technology and the Future Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:05:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-9092 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:05:58 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-9092 lenrosen4. The main reason I suppose the E-Cat game is fraudulent is that Rossi pretends to be a “businessman,” one who claims a motive to reap the great profit harvest from the incredible new engine that powers all civilization, hence he must keep his secrets. Rossi perfectly well understands that is an impossible dream. He knows he is not a sovereign power. Governments would never allow a single private company or individual to control the entire global economy. They would step in and regulate the distribution of his technology, not to mention the major energy companies that would receive lucrative government franchises to implement the technology . If Rossi actually believed his E-Cat can produce cheap safe non-polluting energy, why wouldn’t he just approach the Gates Foundation, and other similar institutions, with the proposition “test it anyway and anywhere you like; then when you are satisfied that it works as claimed, make a full disclosure of the technology to the entire planet, and after several hundred units are running without question, pay me my “businessman’s” billion dollars?” If the Gates Foundation is truly legitimate in it’s stated humanitarian objectives, it would have to agree the billion paid to Rossi would do more good for humanity than a hundred billion spent otherwise. The only reason I can think of that isn’t happening is the E-Cat doesn’t actually work. If Rossi is not a crook, and his E-Cat actually works, within just a few months he could get his billions and save the planet at the same time.]]> In reply to lenrosen4.

The main reason I suppose the E-Cat game is fraudulent is that Rossi pretends to be a “businessman,” one who claims a motive to reap the great profit harvest from the incredible new engine that powers all civilization, hence he must keep his secrets. Rossi perfectly well understands that is an impossible dream. He knows he is not a sovereign power. Governments would never allow a single private company or individual to control the entire global economy. They would step in and regulate the distribution of his technology, not to mention the major energy companies that would receive lucrative government franchises to implement the technology
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If Rossi actually believed his E-Cat can produce cheap safe non-polluting energy, why wouldn’t he just approach the Gates Foundation, and other similar institutions, with the proposition “test it anyway and anywhere you like; then when you are satisfied that it works as claimed, make a full disclosure of the technology to the entire planet, and after several hundred units are running without question, pay me my “businessman’s” billion dollars?” If the Gates Foundation is truly legitimate in it’s stated humanitarian objectives, it would have to agree the billion paid to Rossi would do more good for humanity than a hundred billion spent otherwise. The only reason I can think of that isn’t happening is the E-Cat doesn’t actually work. If Rossi is not a crook, and his E-Cat actually works, within just a few months he could get his billions and save the planet at the same time.

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By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-8821 Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:33:41 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-8821 lenrosen4. Just as further information about what an objective person should think about the recent “independent” E-cat tests: See: http://matslew.wordpress.com/ Mats Lowen, senior reporter at Ny Teknik, Stockholm, Sweden – the major technology weekly in Scandinavia with a circulation of 155,000 and a readership of 327,000, says he obtained the following brief answer to the question of whether the E-Cat works after the E-Cat report was published from Professor Bo Höistad, representative of the authors of the report: “I would recommend a thorough reading of our paper in which several of Ekström’s questions are answered. Also to be noted is that this is the first test that produced sufficiently interesting results to motivate continued work with further experiments to verify or challenge the results achieved so far. This is the normal procedure in physics when unexpected results occur. There is still much work to be done before we can definitively determine if Rossi’s E-Cat works. We intend to continue this work in the next step.” Note that one of the chief scientists who was present at and conducted the most recent tests says in effect the tests do not prove that Rossi’s E-Cats work. Yet there are plenty of true believers who have never seen an E-Cat, never taught graduate level physics, yet who suppose they know more about the issue than a senior scientist, Professor Bo Höistad, who actually participated in the tests.]]> In reply to lenrosen4.

Just as further information about what an objective person should think about the recent “independent” E-cat tests: See: http://matslew.wordpress.com/

Mats Lowen, senior reporter at Ny Teknik, Stockholm, Sweden – the major technology weekly in Scandinavia with a circulation of 155,000 and a readership of 327,000, says he obtained the following brief answer to the question of whether the E-Cat works after the E-Cat report was published from Professor Bo Höistad, representative of the authors of the report:

“I would recommend a thorough reading of our paper in which several of Ekström’s questions are answered. Also to be noted is that this is the first test that produced sufficiently interesting results to motivate continued work with further experiments to verify or challenge the results achieved so far. This is the normal procedure in physics when unexpected results occur. There is still much work to be done before we can definitively determine if Rossi’s E-Cat works. We intend to continue this work in the next step.”

Note that one of the chief scientists who was present at and conducted the most recent tests says in effect the tests do not prove that Rossi’s E-Cats work. Yet there are plenty of true believers who have never seen an E-Cat, never taught graduate level physics, yet who suppose they know more about the issue than a senior scientist, Professor Bo Höistad, who actually participated in the tests.

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By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-8819 Sun, 02 Jun 2013 15:55:50 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-8819 lenrosen4. Hi Len, My main point is until the excess energy question is conclusively settled; it should matter not at what might be inside Rossi’s black magic cat boxes. All the ballyhoo and speculation is distraction and diversion away from the only important issue: is the gadget actually making significant amounts of sustained and controllable energy, that is, COP over 6. It’s unclear how a COP of 3 could produce much market impact. The problematic words of Rossi and his associates are not sufficient evidence to believe that the fantastic thing is actually making excess energy. It’s insulting to the intelligence of even rustic village idiots to contend that ridiculously complex testing by Rossi’s friends and close associates is plausibly “independent.” Nearly the entire global scientific and engineering community is skeptical because the Rossi camp refuses to do objective standard practice calorimetric testing to energy flows. If one wants to speculate about aspects of the E-Cat issue, the most rational speculation would be: Why won’t Rossi do standard practice calorimetric testing? Occum’s razor doesn’t generally provide a smooth close shave, but in this case it seems about the only razor we have.]]> In reply to lenrosen4.

Hi Len,

My main point is until the excess energy question is conclusively settled; it should matter not at what might be inside Rossi’s black magic cat boxes. All the ballyhoo and speculation is distraction and diversion away from the only important issue: is the gadget actually making significant amounts of sustained and controllable energy, that is, COP over 6. It’s unclear how a COP of 3 could produce much market impact.

The problematic words of Rossi and his associates are not sufficient evidence to believe that the fantastic thing is actually making excess energy. It’s insulting to the intelligence of even rustic village idiots to contend that ridiculously complex testing by Rossi’s friends and close associates is plausibly “independent.” Nearly the entire global scientific and engineering community is skeptical because the Rossi camp refuses to do objective standard practice calorimetric testing to energy flows. If one wants to speculate about aspects of the E-Cat issue, the most rational speculation would be: Why won’t Rossi do standard practice calorimetric testing? Occum’s razor doesn’t generally provide a smooth close shave, but in this case it seems about the only razor we have.

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By: lenrosen4 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-8811 Sun, 02 Jun 2013 10:50:22 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-8811 Niccolo5. I agree that the numbers in this report don't provide a conclusive statement about the commercial viability of the E-Cat. Rossi needs total transparency to prove that his device is generating real energy output. If he does then I expect the world will be running on cold fusion technology within a decade. So it is time to take off the gloves and show everyone what you got. Is Rossi up to it? We shall see.]]> In reply to Niccolo5.

I agree that the numbers in this report don’t provide a conclusive statement about the commercial viability of the E-Cat. Rossi needs total transparency to prove that his device is generating real energy output. If he does then I expect the world will be running on cold fusion technology within a decade. So it is time to take off the gloves and show everyone what you got. Is Rossi up to it? We shall see.

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By: lenrosen4 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-8810 Sun, 02 Jun 2013 10:44:03 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-8810 Nixter. Why would we block this technology? Do you see this as a cospiracy of the energy companies? The challenge of cold fusion is in the inconsistency of the results which makes it commercially unviable. If Rossi has developed an E-Cat that provides consistent power well above the input then investors will put the money in, even the energy companies. Consistency, replicability, that is what makes a commercially successful technology.]]> In reply to Nixter.

Why would we block this technology? Do you see this as a cospiracy of the energy companies? The challenge of cold fusion is in the inconsistency of the results which makes it commercially unviable. If Rossi has developed an E-Cat that provides consistent power well above the input then investors will put the money in, even the energy companies. Consistency, replicability, that is what makes a commercially successful technology.

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By: lenrosen4 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-8809 Sun, 02 Jun 2013 10:38:31 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-8809 Robert Boress. Hi Robert, I reviewed the study completely and pointed out some of the issues not fully explained in my posting. I would be delighted to have Rossi open the box so that we all could study the reaction produced. That is why I have proposed additional verification.]]> In reply to Robert Boress.

Hi Robert,
I reviewed the study completely and pointed out some of the issues not fully explained in my posting. I would be delighted to have Rossi open the box so that we all could study the reaction produced. That is why I have proposed additional verification.

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By: Stefan https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-8802 Sun, 02 Jun 2013 02:02:32 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-8802 Niccolo5. 2 Niccolo5: As soon as Rossi does not spent my (tax money) it is his business & investors who wish to invest in "claimed to be testable/existing tech". Such "testable" agenda makes it not a good basis for con scheme.]]> In reply to Niccolo5.

2 Niccolo5:

As soon as Rossi does not spent my (tax money) it is his business & investors who wish to invest in “claimed to be testable/existing tech”. Such “testable” agenda makes it not a good basis for con scheme.

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By: Robert Boress https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-8796 Sat, 01 Jun 2013 18:23:30 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-8796 Niccolo5. Dude, did you even READ the Swedish Italian study?? It is written by 7 physicists with impeccable reputations. The only reason to deny this being a new, unknown type nuclear reaction is... willful ignorance and childish clinging to the accepted models. This shit is here and here to stay. Live it or live with it.]]> In reply to Niccolo5.

Dude, did you even READ the Swedish Italian study?? It is written by 7 physicists with impeccable reputations. The only reason to deny this being a new, unknown type nuclear reaction is… willful ignorance and childish clinging to the accepted models. This shit is here and here to stay. Live it or live with it.

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By: Nixter https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-8793 Sat, 01 Jun 2013 17:06:37 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-8793 The “true Believers” are on the, “it’s fraudulent”, side of the debate, they wrongly believe that this is not real. They are very wrong, they are mistaken or they are involved in a deception themselves. The latest report is solid and accurate, the “True Believers” who say that it is not true are fooling themselves and are trying to delay the roll-out of a revolutionary new form of affordable energy. The reason for this wall of denial, is that Cold Fusion was wrongly blocked in 1989, and they wish to hide the fact that we have been lied to about its reality for the last thirty years.

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By: Niccolo5 https://techsomogro.com/energy-update-cold-fusion-headlines/#comment-8792 Sat, 01 Jun 2013 15:35:06 +0000 http://www.21stcentech.com/?p=10203#comment-8792 ((November and December 2012 and March 2013 tests state that the device produces excess heat equivalent to “10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline.”))

This curious expression in a report ostensibly directed at the question of excess energy production should be setting off all critical thinkers’ alarm bells. Energy density doesn’t bear at all on COP. One could just as well say an ordinary halogen light bulb filament “produces excess heat equivalent to “10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline.” Sure the filament weighs only milligrams and radiates hundreds of Watts of energy for thousands of hours; hence the energy and power densities of the filament are very high, but even school children know a remote power plant that constantly operates at much lower energy densities produces 100% of the energy radiated by the incandescent bulb filament.

At this stage of LENR development, the only scientifically relevant question about Rossi’s cat zoo is whether his cats actually produce significantly more energy than they consume. Why does a problematic “independent” test report, one that conspicuously fails to simply address the question of excess energy, attempt to beguile us with meaningless density numbers that might just as well apply to ordinary light bulbs?

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