Confirmation from NASA really sholud put LENR properly into the realm of good physics. Unfortunately the patent application, if you read it, seems to cover bases without really giving enough information to make a working model, so I do not believe they actually have one running reliably, at least when it was filed last May. I expect they will get one working sometime in the next couple of years it may be over-engineered and too expensive but it will do the job.There are a lot of clues on this website (NewEnergyTimes) as to the requirements to get the reaction running reliably, and it has inspired me to experiment with LENR. I hope many others feel the same, since the more people work on it the more likely we are to get a result this is the principle Edison used, after all. Simon

The existence of an experimental device is not the issue. No practical, consistent net power gain has yet to be obtained from cold fusion developers. That is why we hear about it but do not see a working marketable product. The results of the September gathering in Zurich speak volumes about the viability of this technology.

The version of LabView described in the video clip is a new release. I am aware that LabView has been around for some time. If you look at the video clip the evolution of the product is well described. Pardon me for not distinguishing between a new software version and new software.

Richard says: “Yeah, it must be that LENR is fake since the people at Seimens, National Instruments, NASA at Langley, the NAvy SPA program, MIT, University of Missouri, the Swedish Royal Phsyics Society and the SGS certification folks are all a bunch of retarded morons who cant tell fraud from farce.”

Well, you can characterize them any way you like, but the unwelcome telling truth is none of the parties you mention has ever had a chance to do independent objective tests on any contraption purported to produce significant amounts of excess heat on a sustained basis. None of the parties has announced they tested a LENR contraption and it makes the excess heat as claimed by the promoters. Until some independent agent uses a LENR contraption to melt a garbage pail of crushed ice in a short time with “excess” heat, list me in the unbeliever camp and you can keep on with that glossolaliac floor rolling.

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Not only are we waiting for the commercial products, we are still waiting for any truly objective demonstration of sustained and significant excess energy output. Any 10 KW heat production contraption that “consumes” 0.1 gram H2 per KW hour ($0.001 worth of commercial hydrogen) in sustained operation would quadruple remote land values in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and double them even in rural New England. Trillions of dollars in land development profits would fall into the laps of the parties that control and sell/lease the magic gadget that melts ice, allows hot showers, and keeps the cabin cozy. No one promoting this snake oil stuff is buying up land options in remote cold regions. Patent problems aren’t rational issues preventing the promoters from promptly making billions. Gadgets that don’t deliver significant excess heat are likely what is stopping them.

The latest BLP promotion is curiously touting the notion that the new 4-milliwatt electric contraption gets its hydrogen out of water vapor. How silly. Who cares where the hydrogen comes from? Hydrogen is cheap and abundant when derived from standard-practice steam reforming of cheap and abundant natural gas. Why fool around with the complexities and expense of integral disassociation of water within each contraption? Wouldn’t the market for cheap energy be happy to provide its own hydrogen from conventional sources? Why not just go to any one of thousands of industrial gas vendors and buy or lease a few bottles of compressed hydrogen. Why not prove your gadget makes significant excess heat when supplied with small quantities of ordinary commercial hydrogen? The answer is rather obvious. The gadgets don’t really make much, if any, excess heat regardless of the source of hydrogen. To assert the contraptions runs on water is just ballyhoo for the ignorant masses. I’m thinking it needs no hydrogen at all; it’s running entirely on ballyhoo and snake oil.

Don’t take others to task when you obviously didn’t do enough work on your own to understand what a commercially viable product is when you can’t identify one that has made millions for 2 decades.

Let’s see now if Zurich produces something we can all get behind.

Fleishmann and Pons had no idea what they had stumbled upon and it showed. They real race only began last year. I do agree with you that they don’t fully understand what is being observed. Unlike 20+ years ago, many more companies and research institutions are involved today.

Good for Brillion. Having read the various theories, I thought theirs the most plausible. It’s frustrating how long this kind of thing takes in the US. Godes has it right when he says:

“We’re not saying we’ll have a product right away, but we have a technology that we know can be developed, and we’re working with all possible speed to get it to market.”